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Poster: dead-head_Monte Date: May 18, 2009 10:41am
Forum: democracy_now_vid Subject: Torture by USA causes 100 deaths

I object to all THE Torture being committed by the USA. Don't get side-tracked by the bullshit argument about water boarding. USA tortured 100 prisoners to death. Obama is proving what liars, criminals, and cruel human beings he and his administration really are. That they would condone, hide, dismiss and cover up all this torture and murder committed by the George W. Bush administration is a further continuance of these crimes against humanity. Someday, inevitably American troops will be captured by the enemy. How do you think they will be tortured? Why? Democracy Now, 14 May 2009 Amy Goodman intro: John Sifton, private investigator and attorney based in New York. He is the executive director of One World Research, which carries out research for law firms and human rights groups. He was formerly at Human Rights Watch as the Asia Division researcher and then senior researcher on terrorism and counterterrorism. He has conducted extensive investigations into the CIA interrogation and detention program, and his latest article published on The Daily Beast is called The Bush Administration Homicides. John Sifton: The reason I wrote about Bush administration homicides, which is not something, you know, I’ve—I worked on for a while. A lot of this was uncovered by Human Rights Watch and Human Rights First and the ACLU, all the way back in 2003, 2004, 2005. We knew that up to a hundred detainees had died in US custody in Iraq and Afghanistan, and we had published this information previously. But I brought it up again, because I feel like the debate right now about torture is missing the point. These aggressive techniques were not just limited to the high-value detainee program in the CIA. They spread to the military with disastrous results. They led to the deaths of human beings. And when there’s a corpse involved, when there’s a dead body involved, you can’t just have a debate about policy differences and looking forward or looking backward. Amy Goodman: Give us examples. John Sifton: Well, there are detainees as early as 2002 who died in Afghanistan. Some were interrogated by the CIA in closed sites north of Kabul. Others were in the military base at Bagram, beaten to death, literally, by guards who were being instructed by military intelligence officers, you know, to soften detainees up. Later on in Iraq, when the insurgency heated up in August and September of 2003, we saw deaths there, including both CIA interrogation deaths and regular military deaths. Amy Goodman: Keep going with these examples. And then I want to ask you—well, you’re talking murder, then. And how should it be prosecuted? John Sifton: Well, you have, to start, approximately a hundred deaths. The Army has already—the Army Criminal Investigation Command has already determined that a large number of those were homicides, which just means that the death wasn’t the result of natural causes. Then you have to determine whether those homicides were murder. And the review by Human Rights First, which took place several years ago, showed that in many cases there was good evidence to show that murder had taken place, murder by torture. And yet, the military again and again has closed these investigations. They’ve just sort of petered out. But there’s a huge amount of documents, tens of thousands of documents. And some of the photographs that are at issue now, with the Obama administration releasing photographs, are photographs that are evidentiary photographs in those investigations.

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Democracy Now, 18 May 2009

john-yooWEB.jpg Philadelphia Inquirer Hires Torture Memo Author John Yoo to Write Column The letters to the editorial page of the Philadelphia Inquirer are on fire. People are writing in, overwhelmingly opposed to the newspaper’s hiring of John Yoo as a columnist, the former Justice Department lawyer who helped write what’s come to be known as the torture memo that claimed the treatment of prisoners amounted to torture only if it caused the same level of pain as “organ failure, impairment of bodily function or even death.” _________________________________________________________ "Should any American soldier be so base and infamous as to injure any [prisoner]. . . I do most earnestly enjoin you to bring him to such severe and exemplary punishment as the enormity of the crime may require. Should it extend to death itself, it will not be disproportional to its guilt at such a time and in such a cause... for by such conduct they bring shame, disgrace and ruin to themselves and their country." - George Washington, charge to the Northern Expeditionary Force, Sept. 14, 1775